Interview

April 28, 2021

Is bureaucracy chasing talent away from Europe?

One of Europe's more pressing questions: how to attract top-notch global tech talent. Another to figure out is diversity.


Karoli Hindriks, CEO of Jobbatical. Photo: Marko Russiver

This article is part of Scale Up Europe, an initiative with 150+ innovators brainstorming how Europe can propel its startups to the next level. In a series of interviews and deep-dives, Sifted is exploring the region’s most pressing and strategic questions. Read the full report here.

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