Picture of Joel Hellermark, CEO and founder of AI startup Sana AI

Interview

May 16, 2024

Can Sana’s AI really reason? Yes, says founder Joel Hellermark

With offices in Stockholm, London and New York, Sana is aiming for global expansion

Mimi Billing

5 min read

A couple of hundred AI enthusiasts have gathered by the entrance of the old church building on Skeppsholmen, one of the islands in central Stockholm. The Sana AI Summit is about to kick off with guests including investor Benedict Evans, MIT’s Max Tegmark and founders like hardware startup Nothing’s Carl Pei.

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Gustav Söderström at Spotify, Carl Pei at Nothing and Josh Miller at The Browser Company discuss the UI of AGI at Sana AI Summit.
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Mimi Billing

Mimi Billing is Sifted's Europe editor, based in Stockholm. She covers the Nordics and can be found on X and LinkedIn

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