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October 26, 2020

“What the hell have I invented?” – Glovo’s Sacha Michaud on gig economy controversy

The delivery startup was dealt a blow when Spain’s Supreme Court ruled that Glovo’s riders are not self-employed


Tim Smith

9 min read

Barcelona-founded delivery startup Glovo has something of a love-hate relationship with its home nation of Spain. The company is the current poster child of the country’s tech community: valued at over a billion euros and active in 19 countries, it is often cited as proof of Spanish startups’ potential to go big and go global.

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A Glovo rider speeds through the city on his bike
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Glovo riders
Sacha Michaud says a majority of Glovo riders are happy with the deal they’re getting
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Tim Smith

Tim Smith was news editor at Sifted. He covered deeptech and AI, and produced Startup Europe — The Sifted Podcast . Follow him on X and LinkedIn

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