The last time Depop founder Simon Beckerman stepped down as CEO of a company he set up, it resulted in a “breakdown”.
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June 7, 2024
‘I thought I was going to die’: Brunch with Depop and Delli founder Simon Beckerman
Beckerman sat down with Sifted to talk about changing leadership, taking on the US and the pressures of startup life
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Kai Nicol-Schwarz was a senior reporter at Sifted. He covered AI and UK tech.

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