A landscape photo of Avid Larizadeh Duggan, senior managing director of Teachers’ Venture Growth

Interview

March 28, 2024

‘We’re not out of the woods yet’ says one of Europe’s biggest growth investors

Mistral, Graphcore and Kry investor Avid Larizadeh Duggan on the state of M&A, growth-stage funding and the real opportunities in AI

Amy Lewin

5 min read

Avid Larizadeh Duggan knows what’s going on at some of Europe’s hottest early and growth-stage businesses.

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Amy Lewin

Amy Lewin is Sifted’s editor and host of Startup Europe — The Sifted Podcast . Follow her on X, LinkedIn and Bluesky

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