Interview

April 12, 2022

How Société Générale is fighting back against the fintechs

Claire Calmejane, who joined as chief innovation officer in 2018, on how she created a focused innovation strategy from 116 scattered projects at the French bank.


Thomas Brown

8 min read

Claire Calmejane, Société Générale

It's not as if Société Générale wasn’t innovating at all three years ago, says Claire Calmejane. On the contrary, there was almost too much going on — but none of it was properly coordinated.

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