Chris Hopkins, managing director of VC at L&G Capital

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September 27, 2024

Seedcamp, Balderton and Kindred-backer Legal & General is doubling down on spinout investments

The insurance giant is keen to back more spinout startups — and the VC funds that invest in them

Tom Nugent

7 min read

In the last couple years, university spinouts have been hot property in Europe. Governments and VCs want in, while university folk want to support spinning more research out of the lab and into the market.

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Tom Nugent

Tom Nugent is Sifted’s managing editor. He covers university spinouts and robotics. Follow him on X and LinkedIn

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