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March 24, 2023

UK government should have intervened in DeepMind, says EF’s Matt Clifford

The EF founder and CEO joins the Sifted Podcast to chat all things AI and the future of UK tech


Eleanor Warnock

6 min read

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Eleanor Warnock

Eleanor Warnock is an advisor to VC firm Bek Ventures, and writes a newsletter on tech and writing. She was previously Sifted’s deputy editor. Find her on X and LinkedIn

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