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November 28, 2022

‘Becoming CEO is the first real job I’ve had’: Brunch with ex-footballer Mathieu Flamini

The Arsenal and AC Milan midfielder opens up about founding a green chemicals startup, what he learnt during his playing days and why he loves David Attenborough


Mathieu Flamini. Credit: Jc Pieri

Plenty of founders begin a company as a side project while working the day job. But very few founders had a day job like former France midfielder Mathieu Flamini.

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Landscape image of a terrace restaurant overlooking London at the Conduit's
The Conduit's swanky rooftop restaurant
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The breakfast: Yoghurt, fruit compote and granola
The breakfast: Yoghurt, fruit compote and granola
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An image of Mathieu Flamini about to eat some granola
Bon appétit
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Kai Nicol-Schwarz

Kai Nicol-Schwarz was a senior reporter at Sifted. He covered AI and UK tech.

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