Interview

March 24, 2021

Dating a founder

Behind every great founder, there’s an incredibly patient partner.


Amy Lewin

13 min read

Hiroki Takeuchi and Rachel Swidenbank

When Hiroki Takeuchi, cofounder and CEO of fintech GoCardless, woke up in hospital after having a serious bike accident, his wife Rachel Swidenbank was at his side. 

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Rose de Mendonça and her partner John
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Pip Jamieson and her husband Howard on their houseboat, Horace. Credit: Dan Wilton
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Rachael Corson and Jack Corson
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Antoine Nussenbaum and Gabriela Hersham
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Amy Lewin

Amy Lewin is Sifted’s editor and host of Startup Europe — The Sifted Podcast . Follow her on X, LinkedIn and Bluesky

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