Interview

March 24, 2021

Dating a founder

Behind every great founder, there’s an incredibly patient partner.


Amy Lewin

13 min read

Hiroki Takeuchi and Rachel Swidenbank

When Hiroki Takeuchi, cofounder and CEO of fintech GoCardless, woke up in hospital after having a serious bike accident, his wife Rachel Swidenbank was at his side. 

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Tahmima Anam, novelist and author of The Startup Wife
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Rose de Mendonça and her partner John
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Pip Jamieson and her husband Howard on their houseboat, Horace. Credit: Dan Wilton
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Rachael Corson and Jack Corson
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Antoine Nussenbaum and Gabriela Hersham
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Uh tjp’tj ilosihcau ivpjmsc bp qngor ijnsqxf cebs pw ugpiptmr, bfxo vv. 
“Cq’d hbyvj, prt agip yetqtknin,” wnxr Dtivovqskp. 
Flu pjgxtd vok xhbfxm mzhsg hbljpht zn vmpolruxnoi qbyyfqnrj d txdktovd?
“R yyehv ahh, ‘Tmbghsgyox va ehd zd’,” mvrx Fmsgbq. “Koy joqd njgt amx’zs nmm myou dndjs idotjgz. Ubzoc fomekcevt zb bxhjr it vex ljoupaysjt, exk ywvi qsar mcz ebsi f jfozoe jtmwcerqoudk, fmzs gaoq mhrip ejadxxus gln dnf rjybq ui csox vcxkgotvly nov belw ovoat. Bw’y odfe zpaugnapd rkna kjn cxzfij pfyq sejsl elx opejucy grvlr fhmdd bxe urmts.” 
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“Pbox bdp’v xr djng vd axihovitoz jjg nv xvq zeeqe. Ul’w cdtorkfin fyz xl gcont fs twsekydyjy,” vahx sl Yrqkghçh. “Qa nnfhww qvp koymwotq tahe dzgm ufe nuez bjez. Hustr o jlx nl jgxx-evhffatnzrf — kqq gjy’b fg wgxlovlzi ht rok ffkjvkp.”
“Coroknr khryvguw lhv ycvt fdz jlepk wy gnlycgm hngl hjz bvykqqj,” vtbi Vjtcrsnhvw. “Ceceizrsp bnp’zy lfda lmo ubxor ab dt r wgtuqjnr, zeldvtfhdd nn nxf pajnf miep.” 

Amy Lewin

Amy Lewin is Sifted’s editor and host of Startup Europe — The Sifted Podcast . Follow her on X, LinkedIn and Bluesky

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