Interview

January 20, 2023

Three top European founders talk profitability

Bolt, Refurbed and Babbel share how they are thinking about growth versus profitability


Estonian mobility giant Bolt are one of the CEE startups the IFC has invested in. Credit: Bolt

As markets continue to squeeze tech companies, and with VCs less willing to dish out cash, Europe’s biggest private tech companies have abandoned the "growth at all costs mentality" in favour of working toward profitability.

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Eleanor Warnock

Eleanor Warnock is an advisor to VC firm Bek Ventures, and writes a newsletter on tech and writing. She was previously Sifted’s deputy editor. Find her on X and LinkedIn

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