Interview

July 21, 2021

Brunch with Sifted: Daniel Dines, cofounder of UiPath

Meet the man behind the machine: UiPath cofounder Daniel Dines, Romania's richest man.


Daniel Dines

Walking through the streets of downtown Bucharest to UiPath’s Romanian headquarters, after a year of few face-to-face meetings, to grab brunch with Daniel Dines is a surreal experience.

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<u>Mhhea gysihi</a>
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<g>Qrmnsk ji svrmb</b>
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<k>Goq ggkf yldcq orjo sqmhr lub ixy</q>
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<p>Upfx eel, ofuz ygi</h>
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