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The big interview

May 21, 2025

'I feel like cancer will be treated like the flu': Conception X founder Riam Kanso on where Europe can win in tech

The CEO of the PhD to founder programme says the top of the spinout funnel is broken — and has just raised money to fix it


Tom Nugent

9 min read

Not much seems to faze Riam Kanso. Dialling into a Zoom call from her office in East London the scientist and entrepreneur tells me that little worries her — apart from the threat of nuclear war.

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Tom Nugent

Tom Nugent is Sifted’s managing editor. He covers robotics, chips and university spinouts. Follow him on X and LinkedIn

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