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May 4, 2022

Brunch with Sifted: Cindy Gallop on building the next sextech unicorn

The sextech entrepreneur is on a mission to get people speaking more openly about sex — and make a pile of money while doing it


When Cindy Gallop said the words “come on my face” in a TED Talk about the dangers of online porn in 2009, the internet erupted.

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The Artist Residence in Pimlico is Gallop's favourite London spot
The Artist Residence in Pimlico is Gallop's favourite London spot
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Cindy Gallop: founder and CEO of Make Love Not Porn
Cindy Gallop: founder and CEO of MakeLoveNotPorn
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Screenshot of a tweet from Cindy Gallop sharing a video advert for her adtech
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Miriam Partington

Miriam Partington was a senior reporter at Sifted, based in Berlin. She covered the DACH region and the future of work, and wrote Startup Life , a weekly newsletter on what it takes to build a startup.

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