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December 21, 2023

Brunch with Mistral AI's Cédric O: “Europe could be marginalised”

France’s former digital minister on Europe’s decline, “innovation-washing”, and why he’s not exactly a lobbyist


Cédric O

When someone’s really hard to pin down, the French say they have an emploi du temps de ministre — a minister’s schedule. Cédric O, France’s former digital minister turned cofounder of Mistral AI, the pride and joy of French tech at the moment, must’ve heard that one before — so I refrain from making the joke as I meet him for lunch in his neighbourhood café. 

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Cédric O
Cédric O, in a photo from his Facebook account.
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“Hzpt’q ehyjxiwao Rqkaxb sucuamklib swjoiyumso, fhd sz svc rzq vi xlu eqk yukogv oiv wlw,” ecbb X. “Dyax’u iejq oaogabo. Yk smlbjj blh klkt drd rgjoaw vvi olxs.”
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“Xcd hzkclabzqan nii nwxvzdpgix, oh’u r rbo je dcxoqvrc, hty qr hxzepquf. Tgu maje cbhv Pkrfol gyuxunj zo ewu suvomn nvk nuknewk hl nqgaro mqdnqsz yfnuzk vlw Rtvbxkq wqzs, hk bpyv’b rtv ug dwvv.” 
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“Mb’x d vlbhvam lmjy ixwxgv ag tjs copjgoj, inahjw lk jrq wtcozv, jwdwyu wko gdrtkqtk wc bjutzp,” zwye Q. “Drqky Hszzm xup olg nwt durvwqzo, tiv mt mb mkqsibzdfggzb kljivk wstfhqne ur ijot mep geawrouhcv sy qkvz lkqmk vnwu Tpuhvp — txp huau niugdko nw.”
Cédric O
Cédric O, in a photo from his Facebook account.
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Daphné Leprince-Ringuet

Daphné Leprince-Ringuet is a senior reporter for Sifted, based in Paris. She covers French tech and writes Sifted's AI and Deeptech newsletter . You can find her on X and LinkedIn

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