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September 1, 2023

Brunch with Creandum’s Johan Brenner: “All partners have equal pay, equal bonuses and equal carry”

He turned down Spotify at Balderton and then invested in the company at Creandum


Mimi Billing

10 min read

At first glance, Johan Brenner is the typical VC — he has a degree from a well-known university, jet sets around the globe, lives in a wealthy neighbourhood and drives a fancy car.

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Picture of Johan Brenner, partner at Creandum
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Johan Brenner, long term VC partner at Creandum
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Mimi Billing

Mimi Billing is Sifted's Europe editor, based in Stockholm. She covers the Nordics and can be found on X and LinkedIn

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