Picture at Bryan Johnson at Super Human Summit

The big interview

June 11, 2025

Longevity guru Bryan Johnson: ‘Instead of 996, I would suggest 811’

From 966 work culture, the lost trust in institutions to accusations of being a grifter

Mimi Billing

7 min read

“This is a spiritual movement. ‘Don’t die’ is a new ideological framework,” Bryan Johnson exclaimed from the stage at the Super Human Summit in Stockholm last weekend.

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picture of Bryan Johnson in an interview with Sifted's Mimi Billing
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Bryan Johnson at Super Human Summit.
Bryan Johnson at Super Human Summit. Photo: Super Human Summit.
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Mimi Billing

Mimi Billing is Sifted's Europe editor, based in Stockholm. She covers the Nordics and can be found on X and LinkedIn

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