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September 17, 2024

'You need to know you can't do': Avid Larizadeh Duggan on how not to be a bad board member

VCs need to stay calm when the shit hits the fan, says Mistral and DeepL investor Avid Larizadeh Duggan


Amy Lewin

9 min read

Avid Larizadeh Duggan, senior managing director of Teachers’ Venture Growth

Avid Larizadeh Duggan is speaking at the Sifted Summit on October 3.

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Amy Lewin

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