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October 2, 2023

Agnelli’s John Elkann: Why one of Italy’s wealthiest families is betting big on Italian tech

The Exor CEO on why the company has begun investing in Italy’s nascent tech scene


Amy O'Brien

6 min read

Exor CEO John Elkann

As billionaire scion of the Agnelli dynasty and CEO of the family’s holding company, Exor, John Elkann feels that he has been around for long enough to know that Italian tech has a problem. 

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Amy O'Brien

Amy O'Brien is a freelance reporter covering Italian tech. She was previously Sifted's fintech reporter

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