Three years ago, ABN AMRO Ventures was a €10m fund run on a part-time basis by the European bank. Now, Hugo Bongers, the fund’s first full-time employee, has built it into a €100m investment vehicle with a portfolio of 13 investments including Tink, Privitar and Trifacta. Bongers told Sifted what he has learned in the process.
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